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Mike Anderson
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« on: July 18, 2002, 11:36:17 PM »

Hi,

Thanks for the advice on Cletrac colors as posted on the old discussion forum.  My local problem (California) is that I can't buy Dulux here.

I've found a source at  a marine paint supplier for some really durable paint, but they can't cross reference the Dulux 017H paint color.  

Has anyone found another paint code or brand that might be used for Cletrac Orange?  I'm at a standstill here and would like to get this little beauty back together again.

Thanks,  Mike
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2002, 08:03:48 AM »

Mike, go to: http://www.iciduluxpaints.com/store/index.html
There are Dulux stores in CA.  Nothing shows for your town, but search with only CA and it will give you all the locations in CA.

Or is the problem the specific paint?
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2002, 10:23:40 PM »

That brings up an interesting point........when they said Dulux, I was thinking of Dupont Dulux.  It's an acrylic enamel, and real good paint.  But, there is also Dulux paint.

I wonder which it is?  Maybe that's why they can't get a match.  You would think that one or the other of them would have battled this confusion some time ago.  

Does anyone know which Dulux they are talking about in the Oliver site?

Thanks, Mike
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2002, 10:26:46 PM »

Answered my own question by checking the Oliver site.   They are talking about Dupont paint.

So, back to the main question.  Are there any other paint brands and codes I can check?

Mike
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2002, 11:49:20 PM »

Martis Seniour paint from NAPA has Cletrac Orange too. It is not an acrylic enamal and it does fade rather badly. Perhaps the color could be crossed. I would definately use a non-fading paint next time I paint one.

Blake
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2002, 08:03:40 AM »

This has left me more than a bit confused as well.  
DuPont sold part of the paint business unit some years ago, and when I did a search and it came up with ICI I assumed it was the same.  Checking the MSDS sheets today shows it is not.
Doing a search on DuPont's site for Dulux brings up nothing.  I have to wonder if the Dulux numbers are still good?
Does anyone know the answer?
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2002, 02:16:56 PM »

I have done a little more checking—and know little more ;)

The original paint used on the orange Cletracs was possibly the DuPont Dulux.  That was an all right paint at the time (I think it was a lacquer) but far better paints are available now with respect to color retention.
I have also found the following numbers, PPG Ditzler 60583 and Martin Senour 99L-1952.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2002, 02:28:04 PM »

Sure missing the edit function :oShocked

You may find this of interest: http://heritage.dupont.com/floater/fl_d ... ater.shtml
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2002, 02:38:28 PM »

And now this from Ageless Iron:
Also the old DuPont Dulux paints numbers are being replaced by DuPont Centari acrylic enamels. One way to convert Dulux to Centari numbers is to drop the prefix from the Dulux number. For example, a Dulux 93-57704 gray becomes a Centari 57704-A
And now I better get back to work:o;)Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2002, 10:49:02 PM »

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Sure missing the edit function


Catskinner... there is a problem with the program that keeps the edit function from working. Nothing I can do about it, but I do hope they get it fixed soon. I think you can delete your message (copy it first), then paste it into a new post and make  your changes before posting.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2002, 07:18:44 AM »

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh:(Sad

Should have thought of that on my own---thanks Blake:cool:Cheesy:D
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2002, 07:24:31 PM »

How many different colors were used on the Cletracs?  
Has anyone developed a listing by year and model, with color and paint codes?
Could we pool our knowledge and put one up on this site?
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2002, 09:05:44 PM »

Here is a start:

Cletrac orange   Dupont 017 orange
Oliver Green   Rustoleum H-12
Dupont 0149 green
Dupont 030 green
Oliver yellow   Dupont 029 yellow

Above from: http://www.oldengine.org/members/shpclub/tid002.htm

And from: http://www.oliverinformation.com/paint.html


Cletrac prior to 1930          Battleship gray Acme 3-17901
Cletrac 1930-1935          Chesnut brown PPG Ditzler DAR20134 and Buckskin brown (no numbers contact Landis Zimmerman)
Cletrac orange starting 1936    99L-1952   Dupont Dulux 017H   
HG after 1945 and early OC-3s    99L-8746 (green)
99L-3752 (red)
Yellow hood ridges 90T-3753       
1951 and later crawlers          Highway yellow PPG Ditzler 81985 (Can also use old Caterpillar highway yellow)


And from my own data:

PAINT Specs: HG after 1945 and early OC-3s Martin Senour 99L-8746 (green)
Martin Senour 99L-3752 (red)
Yellow hood ridges Martin Senour 90T-3753
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2003, 11:19:23 AM »

Did Cletrac paint the engine the same color as the tractor? I heard someone say they painted their engines black.  Was this true for some models/ years?  If so, which models / years?  I am specifically interested in what pertains to the 1946 AG-6 I am restoring.

Since most period photos of Cletracs I've seen had the engine side curtains in place, it is difficult to tell.  I saw one accessory mfgr of rear winches show a photo of a Cletrac with the upper curtain off, and the engine sure looked a whole lot darker than the tractor.

Thanks!

John
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