Title: Oc3 and a ware loader
Post by: Carman72 on March 24, 2008, 01:17:35 AM
Post by: Carman72 on March 24, 2008, 01:17:35 AM
Hello I am looking for a ware loader for and oc3. I currently have one that I believe has the Anderson blade with one cylinder ((looks a bit like a Rhinosaurus) I would like to put a loader on it. Unless anyone has ideas about a conversion, but I don't believe it would lift high enough to dump. Thanks for your help.
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Post by: Nick C. on July 01, 2008, 09:37:49 PM
Post by: Nick C. on July 01, 2008, 09:37:49 PM
I have a Ware 3-HI loader with the optional under-side push-frame and dozer blade (best of both worlds), if you are interested. The loader with bucket came with an OC-3 I bought a while back. I bought the lower push frame and dozer blade for this model loader from Zimmerman a year or so later. I never got the chance to mount any of it on the crawler. I started rebuilding this OC-3 from the ground up and came across a 3-WI loader that I am am going to mount instead. I opted for this since I picked up an OC-3 with an Anderson blade a few years ago and already have that as a dozer machine. I'm in Pine Bush, NY (12566) if interested. EMail me at nick@pinelinedfarms.com if you want to discuss further.
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Post by: Steve Ruddy on September 01, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
Post by: Steve Ruddy on September 01, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
Nick,
Any chance you can post photo's showing the differnce between the 3-HI and 3-WI loaders? I'm also intersted to learn more about the blade option you mentiond. I'm restoring a 1947 HG-R that was converted to metal tracks and would like to purchase a loader and or blade for it someday.
Steve
Any chance you can post photo's showing the differnce between the 3-HI and 3-WI loaders? I'm also intersted to learn more about the blade option you mentiond. I'm restoring a 1947 HG-R that was converted to metal tracks and would like to purchase a loader and or blade for it someday.
Steve
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Post by: Nick C. on September 02, 2008, 12:08:21 PM
Post by: Nick C. on September 02, 2008, 12:08:21 PM
I will try and dig up some pictures that I have from the past. I sold the HG loader and optional push-arms and blade that went with it (3-HI), but I have photos of it on file. The main difference between the 3-HI and the 3-WI is that the latter is much stonger and supported. It has tubular lift arms as opposed to flat bar arms and the side frames are made from solid steel triangle pieces as opposed to open frame supports.
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Post by: Steve Ruddy on September 02, 2008, 03:36:23 PM
Post by: Steve Ruddy on September 02, 2008, 03:36:23 PM
Nick,
Thanks for the explantion.
Steve
Thanks for the explantion.
Steve
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Post by: Nick C. on September 02, 2008, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: Nick C. on September 02, 2008, 04:10:21 PM
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Ware 3-HI Loader
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Ware 3-WI Loader
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Ware 3-WI Loader on OC-3
Ware 3-HI Loader
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Ware 3-WI Loader
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Ware 3-WI Loader on OC-3
Title: Ware 3-WI on an HG??
Post by: chrisvdv on September 16, 2008, 07:27:57 PM
Post by: chrisvdv on September 16, 2008, 07:27:57 PM
Nice photos!
Could your Ware 3-WI be mounted onto an HG or only on Industrial model OC-3s?
To me it seems like a safer/stronger option for an HG than a front-mounted push-blade where all the weight is hanging up-front, which in time could cause frame failure.
Is the Ware 3-WI front PTO driven?
Could your Ware 3-WI be mounted onto an HG or only on Industrial model OC-3s?
To me it seems like a safer/stronger option for an HG than a front-mounted push-blade where all the weight is hanging up-front, which in time could cause frame failure.
Is the Ware 3-WI front PTO driven?
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Post by: Nick C. on September 17, 2008, 02:42:24 AM
Post by: Nick C. on September 17, 2008, 02:42:24 AM
It could be mounted on an HG, but I would recommend the use of the solid idler wheels up front and the heavier main springs on the OC-3. They can be swapped out on the HG (I believe). The newer style frames on the later OC-3's help quite a bit, but it will mount to the HG frame as well (the same frame with slight modifications).
The hyraulic pump is front mounted and driven off of the front engine pulley shaft.
The hyraulic pump is front mounted and driven off of the front engine pulley shaft.
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Post by: RAB on September 17, 2008, 07:07:25 PM
Post by: RAB on September 17, 2008, 07:07:25 PM
with regard to loaders and HGs - they, if that would fit one, would benefit from an auxiliary gearbox to lower ground speed. I would think dangerous and not a great deal of use at HG agri speeds otherwise.
Regards, RAB
Regards, RAB
Title: loader and push blade
Post by: Carman72 on October 08, 2008, 11:01:49 PM
Post by: Carman72 on October 08, 2008, 11:01:49 PM
Hi I bought the loader and blade from Nick. I did get the loader on the HG. It has good lifting power, but if the loader needs a lot of reinforcement. I can possibly supply pics of it and of the pushblade. I haven't tried it yet because a I have and Hg 68 with two transmissions and a nice pushblade. My opinion is unless you are going to add a trans to your machine tring to push much with a single trans will be a bit tough and very hard on your clutch. 
Title: 3 WI vs. 3-HI - weight and lift capacity
Post by: chrisvdv on November 30, 2008, 10:02:32 PM
Post by: chrisvdv on November 30, 2008, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: "Nick C."I will try and dig up some pictures that I have from the past. I sold the HG loader and optional push-arms and blade that went with it (3-HI), but I have photos of it on file. The main difference between the 3-HI and the 3-WI is that the latter is much stonger and supported. It has tubular lift arms as opposed to flat bar arms and the side frames are made from solid steel triangle pieces as opposed to open frame supports.
I have a copy of a 3-WI brochure and it says it can lift 2000lbs. and that the complete unit (+OC-3) weighs 6190 lbs.
Any idea what those two figures would be for the 3-HI?
Also, was the 3-HI an older model or a cheaper model available at the same time as the 3-WI?
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Post by: Nick C. on December 25, 2008, 01:30:21 AM
Post by: Nick C. on December 25, 2008, 01:30:21 AM
I'm pretty sure that the 3-HI loader was out well before the 3-WI model. The 3-HI model superceded the HGH model (both the HGH and 3-HI models were made for the HG but probably made their way onto the early OC-3's). Landis Zimmerman would most likely know the exact dates of these models if you want the details. Ray & Harold are also quite knowledgable with the HG and OC-3's as well.