New the the crawler stuff. So far my experence has been with Oliver tractors and different brands of skid steers. The plate on left side of engine has 6351316 TC and FXH 008. I'm working on getting a pic posted as soon as I figure this stuff out. Looked on the bellhousing like one of the post said it might be but nothing there. Thanks,Eric
Is this crawler a 3, 4 or 6 cylinder? Gas or diesel? If a 6 cylinder does it have one or 2 cylinder heads?
John,
We need to come up with a little FAQ forum about identifying Cletrac tractors, since such a large number of posts are just asking about IDing someone's tractor.
Maybe a sticky post for HG - General - OC-3 forum and one for the rest of the models forum?
Blake
Excellent idea, Maybe some members could donate a few identifying pictures to help with the differences.
It's a 4 cylinder,magneto ignition,has a water pump, gas tank under the seat(noticed that the oc-3 is up by the battery in some pics I have found)and has an Anderson blade on it. The rear end hooks to the back of the frame with u-bolts not between the rails. Working on setting up a place for photos so I can link to it. Where did they hide the data plate for the OC-46?
Look on the left side of the engine block near the head about in the center length wise. There will be a flat spot milled there and the engine model and engine serial number should be stamper there unless it is a replacement block. There were 3 versions of the OC-4 tractors. The first version and for right now I think that is what you have will have a four cylinder IXB Hercules engines. The next two versions are both 3 cylinder models. The second version is the B series and was made in Charles City. The serial number will be on a tag on the seat and the first number will be an 8. It that does not match up let us know and please also post the engine serial number if it does match up, Serial number plate should be on the dash if I remember correctly. Look for 3 small rivet holes about 2-1/2 inches apart. Hope this helps.
Well let's see if I can get this right the first time. I have one of the photos on photobucket. http://s689.photobucket.com/albums/vv25 ... pic039.jpg (http://s689.photobucket.com/albums/vv259/EricN_59/?action=view¤t=bigepic039.jpg)"
Eric:
Judging by your photo I would guess it to be the early, but not earliest model OC-4. It seems to have the four cylinder Hercules, guessing by the position of the intake and air cleaner. It has four rollers and 32 grousers.
The Earliest Oc-4s had an agricultural sheet metal. Do you have the grill? This is the most telling. I think the four cylinder was replaced either with a three cylinder diesel, available in 1957, and a three cylinder gas, available in 1958.
Hope this helps.
Kevin
No grille but do have the top part to it and it is shaped like my 77RC. I had a little time between sleep and work(night shift stinks), found numbers on the flat spot on the block. They are 6351316TC and below it are IBX-3, which make it a Hercules. I hope that the ID plate is not below the gauges because there was some torch cutting in that area, guess to give better access to the clutch and bellhousing. Does anybody know the point gap setting? Spent 1 1/2 hours at Napa looking through books to find points. has no spark so that's where i start. Manual will be here soon and then the real fun can begin. Looks like major motor work is in the future by the way the plugs look, badly oil fouled.
Thanks for all the help so far,I'll try not to be to big of a pest.
Eric
Quote from: "Eric N"No grille but do have the top part to it and it is shaped like my 77RC. I had a little time between sleep and work(night shift stinks), found numbers on the flat spot on the block. They are 6351316TC and below it are IBX-3, which make it a Hercules. I hope that the ID plate is not below the gauges because there was some torch cutting in that area, guess to give better access to the clutch and bellhousing. Does anybody know the point gap setting? Spent 1 1/2 hours at Napa looking through books to find points. has no spark so that's where i start. Manual will be here soon and then the real fun can begin. Looks like major motor work is in the future by the way the plugs look, badly oil fouled.
Thanks for all the help so far,I'll try not to be to big of a pest.
Eric
I sold parts for 17 years, but I've been "out" since the mid '80's. Usually, ANY ignition parts can be found if you have the distributor no. Usually they are made by Delco/ Autolite/ Prestolite etc and have either a tag or stamped no. which should get you all internal dist. parts
We like pests that bring us new Cletracs to investigate ! You won't bother anyone here. Have fun..........
Thanks roadrunner, I did get points at NAPA but they arn't put in yet, work schedule and weather has sloowed me down some. Next question, does the serial number on the block give an aproximate time frame of the build since I can not locate the data plate for the crawler? When taxes are back some of it is going to go to rebuilding of engine and hope some left for the tracks.
Eric
Yes it does. I did have that information, but lost it to a basement flood. Also behind the magneto is a casting date for the block. The engine would have been several months later as bad in those days the casting were left to age before they were machined.
I forgot to add the four cylinder OC-4 model was not made for a long perioed of time. It had a relative short production run of less than 3 years.
Finally had a little time and some good weather(heat wave of 45). Got the points put in and there is now spark and I believe that it is time correctly. Didn't sound right when cranking so checked compression and 1 and 4 were very low. Removed tappet cover and cranked it and found that exhaust on 1 and 4 not closing. PB Blaster down the exhaust manifold and playing with the valve they are now moving. I am letting them sit over night and then going to try to crank it over with the plug out and watch the valves. Only 2 more days of warm before a cool off so hope everything loosens up and it will start.
Eric
Quote from: "Blake"John,
We need to come up with a little FAQ forum about identifying Cletrac tractors, since such a large number of posts are just asking about IDing someone's tractor.
Maybe a sticky post for HG - General - OC-3 forum and one for the rest of the models forum?
Blake
I thought the photos from this auction //http://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=12145
would be worth keeping for reference, so I copied them to Photobucket.
There are 108 photos in all - each of the photo names includes year and model, so this should go a ways toward helping people identify their tractor.
//http://photobucket.com/CletracOrg
Password is Cleveland_Tractor
Things to focus on when trying to identify a tractor:
1. Engine type (gas, diesel, mfgr) & number of cylinders
2. Grille, hood & gas tank shape (i.e. styled vs unstyled)
3. Configuration of guides, idlers, rollers, sprockets and tracks
4. Steering mechanism(levers vs wheel)
Well good news and huge bad news. Finally got time off today with work being crazy(back and forth betweenday shift and night shift) and weather not helping any. Got the points put in last week and tried to start only to find out the starter needed a rebuild. Got it back today and installed and it started with a quick shot of ether. It spit 2 pine cone out the exhaust and smoked bad. Started checking things over blade goes up and down, put it in gear and it moved. Drove it around the yard about 50 ft and the engine started to rattle. Tryed to shut it down(magneto kill wire must not be working) but not fast enough, Now I have a small hole in the side of the block. So now I look for a 4 cylinder gas IBX Hercules.
Eric
My sympathies I'd been watching this, hoping for a good outcome.
I guess my Dad had all the luck. Years and YEARS ago we bought a junk Case--"had" to take it along with some other stuff--he'd bought a plow and side delivery--and we decided to see what we could do with the Case.
Broke it loose--it was stuck, carb and mag missing. Once loose, it turned over freely, no evidence of rust in cylinders through plug holes.
The exhaust had bee exposed 'up' for years with only a tiny drain hole at the bottom to prevent a flood into the cylinders. I'll never know how........
Found a mag
Put starter, alternator, electrics on the thing
Found a NEW updraft off an old Chevy car, NOS never used
Damn thing ran just like new. Painted it up nice. Problem was (forgot model) thing had no ground clearance and no steering brakes. Dad sold it a few years later.
Well roadrunner I have been keeping track of your post and after calling around a little today I might be going your way with a motor that is not stock. Really hate to but it could a long time before I get the money for the correct motor. Thought about a 3 cylinder out of a newer oc4 if they are any cheaper. Nice score on the lift, just another thing I also have been in need of.
Eric