I picked up an OC3 yesterday. It has an anderson blade on it. The blade has pins and extra holes, It looks like possibly you could maybe pull a pin and add a piece to use as an angle blade. Is this possible? Does anyone have a photo of the added piece?
Thanks, Kirk
Not an Anderson blade but an interesting post adding blade angling to an OC3.
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/52412-Adding-hydraulic-angling-of-a-dozer-blade-Part-I
The blade in the post is similar to mine. So maybe I don't have an anderson even though the tag up be the grill sez anderson Thanks for posting it. It look like I can make that pieces with a couple pieces of pipe and some channel iron.
Kirk
The Anderson blade was available with a piece that angled the blade. It was also available with a hydraulic tilt option.
Several years ago there was a guy who had a web page with lots of photos of the restoration of his OC3 equipped with then hydraulic tilt option. Most of the pieces were weldments made up with standard structural steel shapes. The "filler" piece used to angle the blade was made of a section of formed "C" channel that utilized the same attachment points as the blade. In his case the tilt feature required a custom height but one could easily made the piece out of standard C channel that would fit between the upper and lower attachment points for the blade.
I saved the photos from his web site a couple that I have tried to attached. I can't give credit to him as I didn't save his name or web address but I think that he posted here on occasion.
Thanks, that look like it. I like the tilt too but that can come later down the road maybe when the weathers a bit warmer. The good new is I have an extra control lever that just plug up to use for the tilt cylinder.
It's a 1952. I tried to attach some photos but they were too large.
Kirk
Kirk -
I use a handy free program called "Irfanview" to shrink or crop pictures. Easy to use.
Just an FYI, the photos don't have to be as small as before. I increased the size limit.
Blake
Trying to add photos
And another
It looks like you have almost the same valve, just right for a tilt blade.
I searched around for old posts and found that the owner of the machine that I posted was appropriately enough, Mike Anderson who IIRC lived in California. His website address no longer works.
Thanks for the additional photos. I printed them out so I can have them on hand when I'm ready to tackle that project.
Kirk
Kirk. Anderson did two different dozer blade set-ups for the 42 gauge OC-3 (plus a snow blade).
The F3A 'Trailblazer' is the one shown in that 'Machinist' feature (wider, lower = 72" x 17") and the F3A 'Imp Dozer' (blade = 56.75" x 22"). The Trailblazer was versatile and created for light dozing, scraping and grading and came with that steel angling insert as standard, but you could also purchase a hydraulic tilt and/or angling option. It could go 30" below ground level and raise 30". It weighs 775lbs.
The Imp Dozer was more of a dedicated dozer with float position hydraulic valves as standard. It could (potentially) dig 10" and raise 24". It weighs 730lbs.
They also made an Imp Dozer for the 31 gauge with a cantilevered lift arm on a special grill — the E3A. They sold many more of these with equipped with snow blades on the narrow OC-4's for municipal sidewalk snow-clearing up in these parts (NY, VT, NH, ME, MA etc.).
I'll try to post photos soon.
Anderson F3A Imp Dozer
Anderson F3A with Trailblazer with Hydraulic Angling option
Anderson F3A with Snow Plow Blade
Anderson F3A with Hydraulic Mower :o
Anderson F3A with Imp Fire Line Plow ;D
Anderson E3A for narrow 31 gauge OC-3's
Anderson F3A with up-down, manual angle Trailblazer blade
Thanks for the photo of the blade and implements. Still think I'd rather work my sickle bar off my farmall cub. I can't imanage there would be too many of those sickle bar mower still around.
Kirk
Yeah, we had a bit of a discussion on my OliverCrawlers Facebook about the sickle mower option. It looks a bit like an accident waiting to happen. I can see it bending those steel support bars really easily if it got hung-up on a sapling or worse a hidden rock! Maybe there's some damping at the business end of the sickle bar to take account of that, but I'd hate to run over my own mower!
No, I don't suppose they sold many.
Front-mounted crawler "Detroit" mowers were popular for a time in 1939 and the early 40's on Cletrac HG's. I know of two still around. I delivered one to a collector in WV one time. It was mechanically-run off the rear PTO though, not hydraulic. Quite a contraption :o
I located this on youtube. It had an interest hook up for the tilt blade. It also has the angle piece I asked about and an auxiliary trans I would mind adding to mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-XK3mTjMTs
That guy has done a nice job fitting everything into a small piece of real estate, eh?
I wonder if that's the Anderson-made hydraulic tilt?
Here's that insert blade-angling piece with an Anderson 'Trailblazer' blade that goes with an OC-4 Anderson F43C dozer set-up.
Chris,
can you measure the length of the angle piece for me.
Thanks, Kirk
13 1/2 wide, 9 high, 2 1/2 deep.
I'm not 100% sure this is a factory one though. I'll check to see if I have another.
Thanks for taking the time to measure it up.
Oh no ! I'm buying the same dozer (OC3) with the similar/simple Anderson blade... and the grandson of the owner has no idea where that piece/part of the blade is at... :-(,,,,,,,,,,
Since Chris was kind enough to list the measurements it should be easy enough to make one up.
Quote from: oliverchris on February 07, 2016, 04:39:33 PM
13 1/2 wide, 9 high, 2 1/2 deep.
I'm not 100% sure this is a factory one though. I'll check to see if I have another.
9" high and a 2-1/2" web is a standard C 9 structural channel.
C9 = 9" depth x 2.485" web x 15# per foot.
It would be easy to duplicate the angle piece, fortunately for us Anderson utilized standard size metal in their designs.
Mikegt4, chrisoliver
Thanks for the dimensions. Do any of you know if that piece can be stowed in between the Anderson blade mounting structure and the back of the blade. Mine has No hydraulic pistons in that space, could it possibly be in there?
Am I grasping at straws? My OC3 is and hour away down I-95 till the CT snow melts.... So I can't just go out back and check to see. Anyone....?
Subgates
I believe that's where it fits. I can measure it for you tomorrow when I get out to the barn. You even have the extra pin to secure it.
Subgates,
I thought I remember seeing your dozer. It was on CL a couple of months ago. I too spoke with the grandson. It was a little more than I wanted to travel for to get it. I remember him saying it ran about 4/5 years ago. Should be an EZ fix.
Yes, it just sits in there until you need it. But of course, if you're like most people you chuck it in the barn one day, forget about it, and your grandson has to make one ;D
Kirk-NJ
Yep that's the CL one. Did you make him an offer? I'm going to get visitation rights tomorrow. So I'll look for the tilt piece. Hope, hope, hope it's there. I'm also going to try to vacuum out the "The Chocked Full of Nuts" bell housing. Then roll it over. It turns free with a screw driver at the hydraulic pump coupling. The moisture separator shut off it really tight, maybe rusted shut. Let's hope not.
Subgates
"The Chocked Full Of Nuts" OC3
That oc3 was on CL in Guilford CT ? Its about 30 mins from me.Thought about it,but got enough cletracs for now.Good Luck! Bill in CT 1928 W 1930 k-20 1937 E-38
No I didn't make him an offer. Didn't want to travel to get it when I found one closer that was running for about the same as his asking price. Good luck with your new crawler.
I looked today for the angling piece, no joy :'(
Yes it's the CL OC3 from Guilford CT. And it's all MINE !! (mad scientist) LOL
The grandson (seller) said he'd look for the angling piece. I showed him the Pic y'all provided. Looks like I'll be fabricating one soon.
Subgates
The "Chocked Full of Nuts" OC3
Chock full of nuts — been there done that ;D
Trying to get them out through the starter hole with a pair of pliers is a Zen thing 8)
Good luck!
Regarding nuts (I'm off topic again)
Initially I thought the engine was stuck, then I noticed the flywheel kinda sprung a bit. A cylinder and the bell housing was, as you say "chock full of nuts" :o
I've got an Anderson blade with manual angle and hydraulic tilt I added. There is also a large round metal cross-bar on top mid-way back and mid-way up that looks as though it hooked to some sort of loader add-on. Never really knew for sure. Kind of up where the dashboard would be if it had one.
I added the aux. trans years ago - but until this month - never really used it hard and steady. I've got 60 acres of woods in the Michigan UP and just trucked my HG there (and it will stay there for good, most likely). Got over 1 1/2 miles of road to build. I just spent over a week of using that HG all day, every day, pushing out roots, stumps, dirt, etc. I cannot not imagine not having the aux. I found that some things required me to be in 1st gear/ 1st gear (as low at it goes). Most work with the main trans in 1st and aux. trans in 2nd. Has enough traction to move things when geared that low. A few times I tried it as it would be with no aux and it was pretty useless. WAY too fast and I'd have to slip the clutch and lug the engine to do anything. Great little machine and perfect for this sort of work. Only trouble so far is I use near a gallon of coolant a day and when it's 90 F outside - the engine runs at 230F when working hard. I just found out the radiator is almost totally plugged with grease and dirt. It also does not help that most of the front area of the radiator is blocked by a vertical hydraulic tank.
Here is a picture of my hydraulic tilt setup on an OC-3:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/xlw31t.jpg)
I also have a 51 OC-3 with the same Anderson blade. The towers that were mentioned earlier are for a loader. I still have the loader, it has a manual trip lever. I will post some pics when I can. I believe that the tilt piece that was pictured is the factory one, the one that I have looks just like it.
Another thought has crept into my head. Since the Anderson blade pictured the most in this thread is basically a quick disconnect blade and that mower looks like it was just pinned on the front of a similar set up. We're there any other implements that could be swapped/pinned on and off of the OC's?