Title: Cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 12, 2003, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 12, 2003, 05:11:00 PM
HELP PLEASE I have this thing and don't know what it is other them a big toy it has E 15 T on the side of the engine on top of the flat head engine it has 2 W 7-19-43 it is 49" from outside of track to track and 81"long from end of track to end of track with 8" pads it has a WARE LOADER Model HGT with a dozer blade that I believe should be a bucket but doesn't have anything to make a bucket work but has brackets like it should have What in the world is it Please help by the way it does try to run but on only #1 cylinder
Title: cletrac HG????
Post by: oldcoal on October 13, 2003, 02:10:16 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 13, 2003, 02:10:16 PM
I think I have a HG but been told by Zimmerman that some one has put a continital engine in it where can I find parts for this engine its a flat head 4 cylinder with a battery ingnition distrubuter is between #2 and 3 I need a srarter badly
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Post by: thecatskinner on October 13, 2003, 08:38:48 PM
Post by: thecatskinner on October 13, 2003, 08:38:48 PM
It would be a big help if you can identify the engine.
A lot of fork lifts used Continental engines and you maybe able to find some leads there also it is quiet possible NAPA would have what you need.
Is there an ID on the starter?
What is wrong with the starter-- maybe it can be rebuilt.
A lot of fork lifts used Continental engines and you maybe able to find some leads there also it is quiet possible NAPA would have what you need.
Is there an ID on the starter?
What is wrong with the starter-- maybe it can be rebuilt.
Title: Cletrac HG
Post by: oldcoal on October 13, 2003, 10:15:14 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 13, 2003, 10:15:14 PM
I don't know much about the engine it has on the side E 15 T on the head it has a 2 over a W over 7-19-43 and as far as the starter some one reworked an outboard starter motor and put it on it I get that fixed but I would still like to put the right starter there since I don't trust it and since I'm fixing it up to resale I'd like to make it right if I can
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Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 01:09:25 AM
Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 01:09:25 AM
I saw your post over at YT---I'm starting (no pun intended 
) to understand your problem.
Sorry I can't help but maybe someone will be able to ID it from the information.
) to understand your problem.Sorry I can't help but maybe someone will be able to ID it from the information.
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Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 01:13:55 AM
Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 01:13:55 AM
Is there any way you can post a picture of this thing?
It sounds like and HG but pictures would really help.
It sounds like and HG but pictures would really help.
Title: Engine Identification
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 14, 2003, 01:41:42 AM
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 14, 2003, 01:41:42 AM
I like challenges like this. Continental made many series of four cylinders. When you say the distributor is between Number 2 & 3 cylinder, does that mean it is on top of the head? This would start to indicate a F model Continental. However mi\ost casting numbers would start F 400 and then another letter followed by numbers. Many of them have the model and the serial number stamped in the left front corner of the block.
Next dumb question, are you sure you have a Cletrac and not a Terratrack which did use a Continental and also has a Clark final drive. If your crawler is a World War 2 vintage machine this is posssiable.
Let me know as I am home this week. John
Next dumb question, are you sure you have a Cletrac and not a Terratrack which did use a Continental and also has a Clark final drive. If your crawler is a World War 2 vintage machine this is posssiable.
Let me know as I am home this week. John
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:41:37 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:41:37 AM
at this time I'm not able to post a picture I wish I could I know it would help the hood is rounded and the radiator grill is a screen like thing the fuel tank sits just in front of you when you are in the seat it has a 3 speed tranmission and 3 roller to support the tracksand the rear sprockt is just a little bigger then the front idler hope this help you be able to figure this out for me thanks for any and all the help you can be
Title: Cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:59:23 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:59:23 AM
yes the distubor is on top almost stright between #2 and three as far as any other numbers on the front right corner of the head there is a M-1 with a J under it and on the water pump is 1400K ?07 it has a ware loader Model # HGT on it if that helps any I home most of the time since I'm retired and just have things like this to keep me out of trouble lol thanks for as much help as you can give me
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 03:17:53 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 03:17:53 AM
by the way my machine does look like the HGs that are pictured here other then the screen type grill and the seat my little thing has a very nice paded seat with arm rests but I think it came with the roll cage that looks home made
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Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 14, 2003, 07:51:33 AM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 14, 2003, 07:51:33 AM
Try to find some more ID tags on the tractor itself. There's got to be some someplace. Any printing on the background of the gauges? Any other clues?
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Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 11:00:28 AM
Post by: thecatskinner on October 14, 2003, 11:00:28 AM
Have you looked at the pictures on Cletrac.org?
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:39:56 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 02:39:56 PM
well heres all I've found on this thing E 15 T on the side of the engine on the head 2 W 7-19-43 it has a ware loader on it Model # HGT also on the head in the front right conner is M-1 J and on the water pump it has 1400K ?07
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Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 14, 2003, 11:25:12 PM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 14, 2003, 11:25:12 PM
Get some detailed pictures to us. Send them snail mail to me if you wish.
Look for some ID that is not on the engine, transmission, or rearend.
Look for some ID that is not on the engine, transmission, or rearend.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 11:56:06 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 14, 2003, 11:56:06 PM
would a couple on # off the rear drive houseing help
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 12:31:23 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 12:31:23 AM
well I found a couple more numbers as you are sitting on it it has on the tranmission side under your left leg 204800 and a place that says fill to this point and a plug just under that on the rear left axle houseing there is a 112 and a space and a 11
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Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 15, 2003, 12:50:09 AM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 15, 2003, 12:50:09 AM
The problem is the HG and some Case tractors share the same Clark transmission and rearend, so numbers from those could correspond with both. Check the casting numbers on the idlers and someone here should be able to tell you what is on thier HG.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 12:54:50 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 12:54:50 AM
well I've been told it the engine is a continetal model F still not sure about the rest of the thing I know some one cut off the old seat and made a cab heres a tec question for you all it fires on 1,2,and 3 but not on number 4 good compression but no spark at number 4 tried differant plugs and wires still no spark disturbor cap ??????????
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 01:06:37 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 01:06:37 AM
I didn't find any numbers on the idlers or sprockets if this helps it has to what I'd call dents on the gas tank but they are factory one on the top left and the other on the bottom left I can also tell some one cut off the factory seat and built a nice cab on it the frame is made of C iron if that makes any diff.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 01:14:12 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 01:14:12 AM
also been told the engine is a model F cintinetal
Title: Cletrac HG or ???
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 15, 2003, 04:53:37 AM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 15, 2003, 04:53:37 AM
Oldcoal, I merged your threads together as they were both the same subject. Some of yours were in the wrong forum too, so I moved them to the right place.
The HG does not have a cast iron frame. Are you sure your's is? The Oliver OC-6 had a cast iron frame, but it has a 6 cylinder Waukesha engine.
The HG does not have a cast iron frame. Are you sure your's is? The Oliver OC-6 had a cast iron frame, but it has a 6 cylinder Waukesha engine.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 05:21:07 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 05:21:07 AM
its not cast it channel iron it goes from the front to the rear end /axlethe track idlers and frame work look like the HGs pictured in your site I was also told it could be a Milatry crawler but it is yellow and looks like it always was If all goes well I'll have some pictures soon to send you by snail mail
Title: pictures
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 06:47:49 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 15, 2003, 06:47:49 PM
Blake I have pictures that I can send snail mail but I need your address you can e-mail it to me at oldcoal@earthlink.net
Title: cletrac??
Post by: oldcoal on October 16, 2003, 01:10:10 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 16, 2003, 01:10:10 AM
well heres something else I noticed today when I was playing with it between the main frame of the machine and the rear end is 2 wood blocks 1 on each side is that common or is there 1 company that used that and not the others??????
Title: Water pump
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 16, 2003, 08:04:58 PM
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 16, 2003, 08:04:58 PM
I will bet that number you are making out as a 1 infront of the 400 is actuall what is left of the letter F. Than that becomes a genuine F model casting number.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 02:10:59 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 02:10:59 AM
does any one know where I can get a starter for this thing it does seem to be a model F continetal engine
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Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 17, 2003, 02:54:50 AM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on October 17, 2003, 02:54:50 AM
What is on it now? Maybe you can have it rebuilt by a starter shop locally. NAPA may have a rebuilt one.
Once you determine what engine you have, you could contact Continental.
Once you determine what engine you have, you could contact Continental.
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 03:00:55 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 03:00:55 AM
some one rigged and out board starter on it they welded a bracket on it to make it work but it is to small and gets hot fast to fast it looks like the starter that should be on it would be more then twice as big
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 03:02:24 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 03:02:24 AM
do you know how to contact continetal??
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 05:29:57 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 05:29:57 PM
found a couple of web sites with good phone # and have been told that hyster used this type of engine so I may have found out where to get a starter for it I'll let you know if I do by the way any one want to buy this little thing??
Title: starter
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 17, 2003, 08:58:23 PM
Post by: John Schwiebert on October 17, 2003, 08:58:23 PM
Make sure you count the number of teeth on the ring gear. Hyster used the engine so did a lot of old Massey Harris tractors. I can come up with one of them I think
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 09:21:43 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 09:21:43 PM
do you need the number of teeth on the ring gear or the starter bendex or both also how far away from Missouri /lake of the ozarks are you??
Title: cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 09:50:05 PM
Post by: oldcoal on October 17, 2003, 09:50:05 PM
the starter drive has 10 teeth on it and mounts on the left side of the engine if you are sitting on this machine
Title: Cletrac
Post by: oldcoal on October 23, 2003, 02:06:43 AM
Post by: oldcoal on October 23, 2003, 02:06:43 AM
well I've found out that the starter on my oliver 77 will almost fit on this cletrac the bolt pattern is the same but the nose cone of it is to big and the starter is to long 
any ideas
any ideas
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Post by: Blake Malkamaki on November 08, 2003, 05:22:16 PM
Post by: Blake Malkamaki on November 08, 2003, 05:22:16 PM
Folks, I am posting a pictures of Oldcoal's tractor for identification. I think it's an HG or OC-3. What do you think?
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Post by: pvcarey on November 09, 2003, 10:09:11 PM
Post by: pvcarey on November 09, 2003, 10:09:11 PM
it looks like an OC3 to me, I an no help on the notor. and I see what you meen on the bucket:)
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Post by: thecatskinner on November 10, 2003, 01:12:32 AM
Post by: thecatskinner on November 10, 2003, 01:12:32 AM
Haven't a clue on the engine but the tractor looks like and HG to me--those are not OC front idlers.
Title: HG or OC#
Post by: oldcoal on November 10, 2003, 02:25:16 AM
Post by: oldcoal on November 10, 2003, 02:25:16 AM
Heres some numbers off the bellhouseing maybe they will tell you if its a HG or OC3 bellhouseing. Been told its the hercules houseing, 28588D with a BT under that. Is this any help