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Hey john, I took the tag off and DID get some numbers off it.

It is a PES4M    after that is 50c320 rs14

Got any info on how to turn up the fuelling?


She is driving well now, Got hydraulic pump and reservoir mounted. I also straightened up the radiator! Ive been going slow on it but its usable now, working cooling system and fan. I might make a movie, It still doesnt have the hood and grill yet. I am going to chop them up and make them hinged so as to be able to have a hood like on a ford tractor or similar.

John- I cant find any other numbers on it. Probably due to the fact that i painted everything. Do you know where it might be?

I notice that your tracks are on backwards, any special reason?

Les

LOL i guess they are arent they!

I havent done anyhting to them since i got it. No notice in loss of traction or gain. I will switch sometime when its warm..24 now dips to single digits at night I dont like cold metal!

Blake i talked to the european MB guy and he said it definitely will fit but getting the linkages right will be a big challenge and said he personally would stick with the one thats there.  I broke down and bought that manifold because its better than cutting a 8inch by 3 inch piece out of my hood AGAIN.

John, # on the IP seems to be 60919356

I read through some more pdf's that european sent me...what i gathered is that it is an internally governed ip.

Thanks

Nice opening page by the way Blake.

190d huh? I will start looking!

I had the cut the hood once to clear the fuel filter and was going to have to do it again for the intake...this opens up new fields! Dont worry, i made the cut by the filter at angles so it looks good still. Any ideas where to find that shorter manifold? I doubt any junkyards around here will have any. i will check the MB forums. I did consider once chopping mine down and welding but figured it wouldnt fly.


I will look the pump over John. I know its a bosch but i didnt see any tags or stampings on it.. Ill repost tomorrow whether i found it or not..


Ohhh just found this...IS IT "IT" BLAKE?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-mer ... otohosting

I meant ground speed is slower but i can answer the governor questions too.

The vacuum pump sucks from 2 ways...sorta like an internal tee with the fittings on the outside of the vac. pump.


The engine has a vacuum governor i was told by a MB guru in europe.. its not pulling a vacuum on anything as it is now (besides intake manifold). It is supposed to pull a vacuum on the braking system of the old car. It does seem to rev a little high. I will fix that before i run it again. I dont know what ill do to that open port, it runs a little better if i put my finger over the vacuum line that used to go the the brakes. I might just block it off so it has good vacuum. It pulled vacuum from the brakes as well as the intake manifold. Yes John, its official name in the  pdf's i got is a pnuematic governor...am i set to go? There IS a vacuum line coming from the intake manifold to the IP itself. So I think that theres an internal governor in the ip.

I didnt know it advanced the timing by itself.  The fuel shuttof is on the pmup, it also acts as a starting aid. You pull it all the way back and it moves the rack to full load position, delivering more fuel for easier starts. BLAKE- this lever is the one that when you pull the starter switch in the cab, it lights glowplugs and pulls the lever backwards. When you push the lever in the cab "in", it moves the lever to the of position. You knew this i think.

Why do i need a governor? To adjust for loads on the engine when pushing/pulling? I always thought the only reason you have a governor is to protect against overspeed.

I didnt know you were in Putnam, John...cool! I am barely in putnam. Across our road is allen county and down the road a few miles is hancock.

My thoughts echo that Blake.  Thanks for the input! The cummins has the longer stroke correct? I was always under the impression that this is what gave it all the torque it puts out.


My uncle was concerned about it going too fast. It goes slower than the ixb. A nice little puff of smoke if i rev while moving forward

Will update as progress permits. Found some old hydraulic hoses in barn so i can replace my old cracked ones. I might work on it tomorrow if its not 15* out...cold metal does wicked things to hands.

3 bottom? wow. A tractor like a farmall m is supposed to pull that. I still dont know whether the torque is ging to be a problem or not.I am leaning towards not. I dont do a lot of lugging with it and i have never had it run out of power before with the gas. It ran out of traction before power.

John..yes i know that the torque can be a problem especially with the gearing. I am going to run her slow for a while see what happens. I saw a v8 flathead ford with 60hp but this is a diesel at 50? hp and much more torque.

The engine is from a 1967 mercedes benz 200d. I used the mercedes benz tranny as well.

The reason im not worried about the torque problem...max power is 50 hp at 4000RPM. Torque cant possibly be much above that...my ford IDI has 180hp and 330 torque. Dont know how that translates with this engine. Anyways i plan at running it at WOT then taking it to what i think is half and marking it. At idle you can let out the clutch and it wont bog the engine so i wont need higher RPM;s im thinking.

Sadly i havent got very far with it since i last posted pics....im lazzy and had to work on truck a lot and also couldnt find right size drill bits. I got myself some confidence now and am starting to work on her again.


The benz had a flex disk on it. I took it apart and welded an old cletrac ujoint on and it fit perfectly. all custom motor mounts and hydraulic pump for blade is underneath rad just barely clearing stuff. it is a belt driven one off a cherry picker. I hope it will have enough power to move the blade.....

Well it has been quite a while but i am finnaly getting close to getting this beast done.

Blake...i will send you some pictures in an email so if you want to put them in the album you can. I only have ones of it without the hood now but i hope to get the hydraulic pump and alternator mounted as well as my anderson blade. I will send more once its all done.


I took a nice '67 mercedes benz OM621 engine and put it in my cletrac. The gas was frustrating because even though it started beautifully, it is a gasser and the governor spring was never set right and i was tired of trying to get it right. I am a diesel person myself Good old 7.3 idi ford. The hercules pushed dirt just fine but i had to use 1st in the model a aux trans and 1st in the cletrac trans to really do much.


Just thought it would be neat to share what i have been doing lately.

See Below for pictures. The radiator is going to be straightened later.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561881412ptCzFD

I also have many other parts i want to sell. PM me with your needs and ill see if i have it.

I have a pair of oc3 or hg tracks for sale. They are 12" pads. They seem to have some wear and tear but i doubt it would cost more than a new set to rebuild them. Looking at something around 350-550$ if possible. They are curled up on a pallet and i can load for free.


Thanks!


P.S. Blake: if this is not supposed to be here, pm me so i know for future reference.
MOVED TO HG AND OC-3 SECTION

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John,

Do you mean streaker tractor inc. at findlay?
I have thought of the other fords as well. Seems that the massey fergusons would be too big and bulky to adapt. I really liked the oliver diesel conversion idea.

Thanks again,
Anthony

Yes, i agree that higher horses would put a considerable amount of stress on the diffrential and propeller shaft. I have seen a lot of ford 3 cyl. diesels around here but dont think that, surprisingly, i have come across a 4cyl. Maybe if i look a little harder though.

Also, Does anyone have any links to an hg or oc-3 bit that has most everything? I have some parts but would like a more complete tractor for ease of changing it over and having it work in less time.

Thanks,

Anthony

Hello,
   I am just poking here. I am wondering if anyone has tried to mate a diesel to an hg or oc3. If so, what kind did you use. I would imagine a tractor motor or something similar. Does anyone have any reccomendations as to what i should look at getting? I would like something a little more than the 21 horse the hercules puts out but the torque is what im after. I would like to have a small enough engine that i wouldnt have to cut into the sheet metal any. Id also like to have a heavier engine to weight it down more. It seems to me a diesel accomplishes most of these. I also love the concept, and workings of diesel engines.
Any input is well appreciated.

Thanks,
Anthony