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#1
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
October 03, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
OK, I have the problem solved.  I had the wires wrong.  gotta have the wires right or it won't give the desired results.
#2
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
October 01, 2010, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: "440roadrunner"I you actually saw water/ vapor/ steam  "baking"  out of the coil  you probably have not fixed it.   Frankly   you might try to build a vacuum tank  and warm it up good,  then pull a deep vacuum on it just like an HVAC/ refer system.    Water will boil off at a low temp  and "pull out"  of the coil.

I don't  understand what you mean about baking it out.  I saw heavy condensation forming all over the top on the mag on the alloy part.  It all baked away, now I have consistant sparks.  However, it isn't fixed anyway.

I can't get a good firing order.  Everything fires good and hot and consistantly.  It seems like it's not in time.  either 1 and 4 don't hit or two and 3 don't hit.  they all have a good spark and the plugs fire fine out of the engine.  The engine runs but doesn't run smooth.  I can pull the wires off one by one and find that 1and 4 aren't helping.  I tried tuning the mag driver back half a turn and then it only backfired hard with no running.  When i put it back, it ran poorly again but now 2and 3 don't fire.  I think the wires are right, they've been labeled for a few years and always work fine.  I am going out for new wires right away but usually when wires are bad they dont switch places.

I am wondering if when I put the points and condencer back if I got something screwed up.  I lined up the dot with 'C' on the fiber gear.
I screwed something up, please help me.
#3
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
September 30, 2010, 04:12:40 AM
I got a new condenser, the one listed in the book was $18, I and the parts guy thought that was excessive so he gave me a $3 one that works great.  I baked the main assembly of the mag for about 3 hours at 200 degrees (before the wife got home).  I was amazed after about 10 minutes to see all the water cooking off that thing.  Then i filed the points to my liking, slammed it all back together and it started right up even though I mixed up the plug wired.  It was too dark to see anything so I'll fix the wires tomorrow.  And I'll return the new plugs I didn't use.
#4
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
September 29, 2010, 09:54:51 PM
I don't have a fouled plugs problem anymore, it has become a no spark problem.  It only sends a spark during initial cranking then only number 2 fires.  I had all four plugs wired up laying on the tracks.  have the mag out now looking for trouble.  don't have much knowledge of mags.  it's a FM X- B19B  Not an oliver original but I think it is the same.  I'm having a hard time reading the computer keys, there seems to be some sort of grease on them.
#5
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
September 23, 2010, 05:00:05 AM
Sorry, I can't figure out the quotes thing yet.
The fuel used to leak a bit at the sediment bowl, thats why I made a habit to shut off the fuel when parked.  It also drips out the intake if it doesn't fire right up. I haven't noticed it leaking from the carb while parked but it think I am going to leave the fuel on for a while and see what happens.  Anyways, I think I should pop that carb open and see what's happening in there- check the float and the action.  I can't remember if I've gone through it before- maybe 3 years ago.  At this point I definately have a gas soaked plug problem but that is always after much cranking. It feels like it will start on the next try because it fires a few but then dies.  It will continue to do tis untill the battery is dead, then I pull the plugs and they're soaked.  I know I need to pull the plugs as soon as it won't start to get an accurate story.  Does anybody have a suggestion on what plugs should be in this engine?  I do need new plugs to move on with my testing.  I had NGK B-4 plugs.  I thought NGK were good plugs, maybe not.
#6
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / Re: OC3 fouls plugs
September 22, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
I do have a mag ignition.  I didn't ever want to think about having to re build the mag, I had heard it was expensive.
 I haven't ever tested the compression, I'd assumed it was good because it never smokes at all.  I'll swipe a compression gauge from somebody.
I just found the engine numbers, 94373TC- IXB3  Does that tell anybody what plugs i should have?  I just got the ones Napa said were for this machine.
the engine was replaced sometime in history and not repainted to match, it's primer brown- possibly a rebuild.  I can't say if the plugs are oil or fuel fouled, They are always soaked with gas when I get them out.  A couple times I was able to torch them clean and stick them back in and they worked for a while longer.  they never are in long enough to get very crusty.  How would I know when they foul- just pull them before I try starting it?
#7
HG, OC-3, OC-4 & General / OC3 fouls plugs
September 22, 2010, 03:42:37 AM
I have a 1956 oc3 industrial model, it goes through a alot of plugs.  I really want to be able to start this thing up with out replacing the plugs every time.  First off, do I have the correct plugs, NGK B-4?  secondly, I don't really know what causes fouling.  It ran fine 3 days ago, today I went to start it and it pops 2 or 3 times and then the engine just spins and poofs out smoke until I stop cranking.   When I start cranking again, it fires a couple and then nothing.  I can repeat this process indefinately until the battery is dead.  I was told to run the carb dry when I intend to leave it sit awhile, so i turn off the fuel and let it idle out.  Is that a good idea, It seems like when i do that it won't run the next time.  Also I rarely work it hard, I has no blade so i just drive it around and cruize through the woods, sometimes drag a few logs around.  I love the old tractors but it's not fun to fix it more than drive it.  I know you guys can help me get this thing right.