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My brother had an OC3, and we have 420's, and I would say that there is no way an OC3 will push with a 420. Isn't an OC3 rated at about 20 hp?  A 420 is rated at 30, and I know full well the 2 cylinder has more torque anywhere in the power band than the 4 cylinder in the 420.  I do not doubt one bit that the 420 you refer to got outpushed, but I would be curious to know what kind of hp it was putting out.  I have had several with bad engines that would not hardly roll themselves empty, but is that a fair comparison.  The OC3 we had was an absolute dog compared to a 40, let alone a 420.
You say the proof is in the push, and I have also been there, so we can basically argue this point until you know what freezes over.
I have stated quite clearly that I like both brands, and that I collect Deere.  My main point of this whole conversation was to point out what I believe was an unfair and inaccurate comparison.  Needlessly and baselessly bashing a competitive brand accomplishes nothing.  All brands have their merits and their drawbacks, usually in a particular model.  
It is kind of funny how a company that produced a complete piece of garbage (Deere) is still in business, and a company that made the most advanced crawler (Oliver/Cletrac) no longer exists.  This whole arguement has gotten silly, I quit.
Lavoy

1010 with a loader and full rack of weights will make over 10,000 easy, so it is a little heavier.  Wonder if 1010 has less power though?  I am sure it has less torque.
You can't beat a crawler for turning radius, they will turn in their own length, but kind of hard on undercarraige if you have grouser pads.
Lavoy

I am still stumped by what technology you are talking about.  You just admitted that they did not have the options or features, but yet are more advanced?  As far as nimble, I fail to see what makes them more nimble.  If you go down to a 3 roller 40 John Deere, you have about the same weight, and the same size track frame as an HG, but still with stronger finals and trackframes.   If you are basing your comment solely on differential steering, both sides of that issue can be argued until you know what freezes over, but side by side running around, it will not make the HG any faster.
If you want to talk crude, a BO is crude.  Cute as hell, got two of them, but as far as ease of operation, there is no comparison between a BO and any of the later two cylinder crawlers.
Bit of trivia:  Did you know that the first dozen or so GPO Lindemans were differential steer?
Lavoy

Okay, too stupid to use the board, so will try again.
Hi Andy,
Haven't been on for a while, couldn't even remember my login, so had to start over.
Never seen an OC46 in this area, aren't they around 1010 size?  Most I ever see around here are HG/OC3.  Did see a real nice OC6 diesel last summer, but they are still using it, and it can't be bought, oh well.
Lavoy

Not trying to start an arguement, I like anything on tracks, but I think Blake is off base.
The primitive Deere you are referring to has 50% more power than an HG, dual hydraulics, clutch type reverser, 6 way blade, 5 roller track frames, PTO, and a 3PT hitch, all factory items plus outweighs it by a ton or so.  I am a little stumped as to what is primitive about any of these options.
I have nothing against Cletrac, had a Type F, and when I win the lottery some day, I am going to have an HG31 with an Anderson blade, but unnecessarily and unfairly knocking a competitive crawler accomplishes nothing.  I honestly do not believe an HG will even begin to run with a 420, it is an MC or 40 size machine.  Kind of like saying a TD6 IH will outwork a D6 Cat, it is simply not going to happen.
Lavoy