Is this a ADH?

ubucat · February 04, 2010, 03:56:39 AM

I found this Cletrac at the local scrap yard. He wants 15 cents per lb. I know nothing of its condition and am not even sure of its model.

dadjon · February 04, 2010, 12:16:21 PM

Looks like an AD to me, Not sure about the H part though.
Are you thinking about buying this?
Looks like an interesting project.
John

ubucat · February 04, 2010, 01:45:23 PM

I have some interest in the Cletrac, but the price looks like it would be $1200 or more, so I am doing more research. Next time I go I will try and get a serial # and see if they know any more about it. If it is a pre Oliver build date I would be more interested. I will measure the gauge also to see if it is an H or if it just has wide pads.

Bob · February 05, 2010, 01:09:31 AM

Definately an AD. I don't think its a H model. I would have to guess its a pre Oliver, because of the decals on the hood. The undercarriage looks to be decent from the pics. The blade is home made. That poor tractor doesn't look like it has a very good home right now. It really needs a new one.

Bob

ubucat · February 06, 2010, 02:08:15 AM

I went back to the scrap yard today and measured the track centers. They are 50". It has a PTO. I can't find the serial #. It does have "Cletrac" stamped into the radiator shell and has a Hercules tag on the engine. The rails and sprockets look pretty good. I wonder if it is worth saving? Where should I look for the serial #. Is it 1943 or older?

Bob · February 06, 2010, 04:04:50 PM

The serial number is on the inside of the firewall on the right side. Looks like a power reduction PTO, which is more desireable than any other style. I'm almost posative that it would be a AD and not an ADH. I wouldn't mind having an AD because it would be a little lighter to haul, and a little more rare than the H model. Engine parts are not impossible to come up with, but not really easy either. I would say the pistons are the hardest things to get, but many have figured out a way around this obstical. Still not sure of the year, but it does look like it would be close to 1943 or prior.

Bob

ubucat · February 06, 2010, 05:00:10 PM

Bob - What is the center to center of track measurement on your ADH? I wonder if the wide pads make it look like a standard gauge. But if you can measure your ADH then I would know for sure. How much does a ADH weigh versus a AD? I am going to have them weigh this crawler the first of the week to see what the cost would be. Then maybe I can make them an offer. When did they start putting Oliver instead of Cletrac on the radiator tank of the AD. It does have a reduction PTO unit.

Bob · February 07, 2010, 04:06:03 AM

I don't know what the center to center is, but can measure easy enough. I will look in my AD book and let you know how much either weigh and everything you want to know about it. It wasn't until about 1952 or a little later when they put Oliver on the radiator tank. If It was me I'd probably have them cut the blade off. You could get it cheaper that way too.

Bob

Blake Malkamaki · February 07, 2010, 05:13:25 AM

I was going to say the same thing about the blade. Let them keep that and it will save you some money.

Blake

ubucat · February 07, 2010, 06:52:13 PM

In the next couple of days I am going to have them carry it to the scales and weigh it. They will then set it where I can go over it a little better and put some power to the starter to see if it will turn over. This will get it out of immediate danger in the pile. I did see that the water pump housing is busted and the pieces are lying below the engine. I am thinking that something hit it to break it, but I suppose it could be a frost damage, so I better look close. How hard is it to get a water pump housing? Also, is there any chance of finding battery covers? I see one on ebay now. Do they fit different models? I agree that the blade needs to be taken off.

Bob · February 08, 2010, 01:56:07 AM

I am always concerned with just putting a battery in and trying to roll it. I am always afraid of breaking the starter of ring gear. I know people who have done this with no problems, but I don't like to. A water pump housing shouldn't be too hard to get. Worst case scenario if all the pieces are there you could have it welded or braized. Battery covers are hard to come by for the ADs as they were a little bigger than the AGs covers and not as big as the Ds. It would be the same as a Bg or BD would have.

magicmikey · February 16, 2010, 12:23:14 AM

I went and measured my AD and the sprocket centres are 50". Looks to be a good find.

I have some water pump pieces if your in a bind. The weight should be around 5 1/2 tons.
mike

Bob · February 16, 2010, 03:37:54 AM

According to my 1945 price guide an AD should be 42" on centers and an ADH should be 50" on centers. Approx shipping weight for a standard equipt AD is 7600lbs and cost $2350. An ADH is 7750lbs and cost $2400. Some useful info and some "worthless" info!

ubucat · February 18, 2010, 01:32:01 AM

Magicmickey - I guess you have a ADH? Bob- That is what I have seen before, that the standard gauge was 42" So it would cost about $1200 without the blade on it. Apparently it was a runner and the previos owner bought a newer machine and the water pump got broken when they unloaded it. I have decided to pass on the project, at least for now.

Bob · February 18, 2010, 02:42:53 AM

Tell them to hold off on scrapping it. It would be a real shame to see a running or easily running AD go to China to make new crap cars out of.

Bob