Junk Cletrac, no model, engine swap candidate What model?

Started by 440roadrunner, January 27, 2009, 06:38:50 PM

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440roadrunner

#30
And a couple of last pics    It now starts and runs,  sounds good, has a radiator and clutch, and moves and shifts under it's own power.  I ran it up/ down the alley the other day,  and it at least rolls along.  No throttle (governor) control yet

The major stuff I have yet to do:

Mount the hydraulic pump,  clean/ flush the system, and probably weld a new drain in the tank.  Buy new hoses, and hope the cylinders are OK

Overhaul and mount the governor/ throttle linkage.

Clean (acid) and POR15 the fuel tank and build the rear mount point.

Mount and shorten the hood,   and find or build a grill.

After all THAT   I can concentrate on wiring, battery box,  and clean up the (temporary) seat mount



You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

hotratz

#31
Nice progress. Gotta name for this thing yet?

440roadrunner

#32
Quote from: "hotratz"Nice progress. Gotta name for this thing yet?

Thanks,  ha!!!!


Started out between  "Cleota"  or "Toyotrac"   but the Massey Harris tinware seems to have thrown a wrench in the works.    

(I may have to build a grill.  Finding a Massey 30 grill--a good one--is proving to be a "hunt")
You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

hotratz

#33
I like Cleota (Cleo for short)

Blake Malkamaki

#34
Personally, I think the Massey style has a lot to be desired. Just not up to par with a Cletrac. You might be able to do better yourself. This is just my opinion.
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440roadrunner

#35
Yu never know,  I may actually live long enough to get this thing "completed"  yet,  if not financially devastated.   I spend nearly as much on hoses and hydraulic fluid yesterday as I paid for the whole tractor

Here's a couple of shots with the hydraulics on.   I haven't finished the pump mount yet, it's "hanging by a thread."    I first wanted to determine if the pump was maybe in good shape and large enough.   The tank/ valve had been haggled onto the awful ROP cage,  and I managed to mount it neatly onto the end of the new footrest, plus a clamp arraingement  over the rear axle.   Ran two 1/2 pipes under the fuel tank bracket.

The fuel tank/ dash/ hood are just jerried on there to see how everything fits,  and where I might put the battery.   I"m thinking down next to the starter.









Gonna have to chop about 9-10"  off that long hood!!   Too bad I haven't found a Massey grill yet.  Just one more thing to build



Plenty of room in there for your leg!!  What there ISN'T  room for is the shift lever which hits the "new"  dash.    Too bad those levers rotate,  I could dogleg it.   I don't guess I have much choice but to whack it off.

You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

440roadrunner

#36
Yet some more progress, and a complete change of mind since last night.  The blade, with these cylinders,  didn't lift very high.   Last night I'd resigned myself to another couple hundred dollars for longer cylinders,  but today  I got to moving it up /down  and taking some measurements.   Turns out the 10"  cylinder stroke is MORE than enough,  it's just not in the right place,  and after measurements,  turned out that moving one eye some 3"  was all it took to completely change "the landscape,"  pun intended

The eye just hot from the welder






The blade "all the way up",  but it still has a ways to go.  Someone welded some stops on the frame, so it's up against them.  I assume this was to prevent hitting the awful awful frame extension/ pump mount that I removed.  There is STILL  over an inch of cylinder stroke at this point.  Tomorrow,  I'll torch off those stops, or at least cut them down,  and see what we have

I'm sure elated at this.    I'm getting tired at this point of spending money



You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

440roadrunner

#37
Well,  due to some hot wx of which I'm nearly allergic, and some health problems,  and just plain "other stuff"   the little Oliver sits dejected.     I did recently get a VERY  good start on throttle control and a governor.    I found a governor off a D2/D4 Cat Pony motor.   Turns out the weights are VERY  light,  and I had to add to them for more torque from the governor shaft.  Here's some pics,  and it finally works,  no throttle control yet,  just a haywired spring.

Please don't mind the ugly rad hose, it's temporary.  I welded a plate to the homemade fuel block off plate for a mount,  re--did the control arm which barely clears UNDER the rad hose.  You can see the control rod rides alongside the valve cover to the unseen bellcrank in rear,  and the other rod going to the carb




Here, you can see part of the bellcrank,  the rod controlling the carb throttle, and the haywired spring.   The bellcrank is simply a 1/4"   bolt welded to a mounting ear under a carb bolt.  The bellcrank pivot is nothing more than a 5/16  "connector nut"  with arms welded on.   The throw of the governor arm is very limited, and the carb arm is fairly short.  At first,  I had the spring on the "regular"  end of the throttle shaft, but it caused enough shaft bind that the thing stuck "hi" or "lo"  in RPM



A better shot of the bellcrank.  The horizontal rod in the pic goes forward to the governor.  The spring will simply  be connected to a throttle control.  I'm thinking of a "choke"  type wire  incased in rubber fuel hose and drenched in engine oil




Another shot of the governor belted up





Finished up the day installing a simple hydraulic filter at the outlet of the hydraulic tank.   Would've done that earlier,  but the "place"  was out of filter mounts.
You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

mikeinnh

I like this build- shows some great craftsmanship while not letting an old rig go to the scrap pile.

440roadrunner

#39
And a tiny yet more "win"  for the project.    I decided to buy a nice Massey grill,  the cost of which was considerable,  and here we are with  the hood and grill  at least hung on there.    I have yet to patch the unused holes in the hood,  and trim up what I've cut off and finish the edges,  but you get the idea.    The way things are going around here,  it'll probably  "go through the winter"  this way

You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

hotratz

Hey, I'm liking the looks of this. When you get some finishing touches done and some paint it should look excellent.

440roadrunner

#41
Thanks Steve.  The way things are going around here,  I don't know if I'll LIVE  long enough to get the thing painted.  


STILL have to finish the choke/ throttle/ wiring,   and now the control valve is leaking down.   I'll try tearing it down and cleaning,  replacing the O rings.  Hope I don't have to buy a new valve.
You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

hotratz

No need for show quality paint. Just hit it with a wire brush and rattle can it. It will look amazing.

440roadrunner

#43
UPDATE:    Although the little machine is certainly not finished,  I at least made some good progress.

I finally got around to finishing the radiator top mounts  (old tires:



I made a massive decision and dumped the Toyota carb,  a complicated emmissions mess that had acquired some water.   This one is an old Ford Falcon/ etc  170-250 small six,  Holley one barrel.  The home-built adapter places the new 1bbl on the inboard of the two manifold barrels,  thus getting the much smaller carb  under the hoodline.   I still--of course--must build an air filter,  choke and throttle controls.   The key to finally getting this little carb  to work well in this application was simply remove the spring and needle under the power jet,  thus putting it "in circuit"  at all times:



I finally got the wiring under control.   All wired up except for the headlights, not yet mounted.   Alternator is Toyota,  regulator is 62?--69 Chrysler products,  the little rectangular box  with two wires,  hidden in the bottom of the dash panel.    "New"  grips on the steering is soft bike handlebar grips.  As you can see by the water temp,  it's been running.   Battery runs at near perfect 13.7V when charging.  Toggle on the left is for dash/ headlights,  key / start switch barely visible behind steering lever



Some of the plans before winter are an air filter,  and to plug one or two holes in the Massey hood which are not now needed,  and in fact,  pour water on the carb if not covered.   Also not shown here,  one lift cylinder was bypassing,  so I bought new seals for both cylinders  for less than twenty bucks  U.S.
You cannot break it if it's broken,  but....
You can fix it so it cannot be fixed!!

ianoz

Hi 440roadrunner. Good to see you still making progress  :D  Thanks for the update . Ian .